18? Thanks for caring about biblical accuracy. Following Gods words to the T is one of the reasons why the law was fulfilled by Jesus and not by man. Tim please do a small word study on walking and when you do you will find that walking refers to a living relationship with the said persons mentioned . See my article, Was Jesus Married? But it would be nice for you or someone else to show me where the Bible ever makes that claim. They were placed in the Garden of Eden and given everything they needed: food, work, companionship, and fellowship with God as they walked with him in the cool of the day (Genesis 3:8). We do see examples of theophanies in the Old Testament where God does appear to people in human form, as He did to Abraham. But nowhere does it mention or even implies that they "saw" God face to face. I have no problem with the concept of Adam and Eve walking with God and seeing Him. Lord God (pre-incarnate Jesus Christ) was also the burning bush that app. We do see God speaking to both of them in Genesis 1:2830 when He blessed them and told them to be fruitful and multiply and told them to eat vegetation. I have been following the comments on this article for several years, and I want to say how much I appreciate your kind and faithful answers. Its not even hard to imagine that Adam and Eve did walk with God prior to the fall. All of the things you mentioned are plausible, but they do not build a watertight argument. It is possible that God literally walked in the Garden of Eden in the form of a human. This would still fit with the idea of God coming in judgment, which was given as a possibility in the article. However, God did come physically to Abraham and ate. Because they nearly always cite the verse about Adam and Eve hearing the sound of the Lord walking in the garden. who knows perhaps it was. In the later OT the Temple was the place of God's special presence where he made himself known and felt to Israel. Again, nothing in Scripture tells us that they walked with God or carried on a conversation with Him. 5. It was idyllic. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. God does not require a garden to have a direct relationship with man, so I dont see how the fact that God created a garden would have anything to do with whether they had a direct relationship (and by extension, that they walked together). No? Tonight I was thinking about it again. The texts of Genesis 1-3 outright tell us ONLY what is necessary for our understanding of the events from Creation to the Fall, not of side issues that mean nothing for a proper interpretation of these texts. He could have spoken out of a whirlwind to them and banished them from the Garden in that form. The first words recorded from Eve are from her encounter with the serpent. Due to the craftiness of the serpent, sin found its way into the Garden and everything fell apart. This could be literally translated "the wind of that day." Some think this might refer to a strong wind. It is a special, peaceful garden oasis God created as a home for Adam and Eve (and maybe also Lilith) where their two jobs were to give animals names . Remember that the Holy Spirit came at Pentecost with a rushing mighty wind (Acts 2:2). He knew good because he once served God; he then knew evil because he committed evil in his rebellion from the Father. In each case, they are basing their ideas on something that isnt stated in Scripture. 1. Genesis 3:8-9 . I believe it is very important to know what is and isnt in the Bible. God then created Eve, "a helper comparable to him" (verse 18). There may have been thousands of years, who knows? I think your comments were probably addressing this point though (http://midwestapologetics.org/blog/?p=1747). Say, for example, that they werent expelled from the Garden until they were 60+ or 70+ (or older). Third, Adams response at seeing Eve confirms the point: This is now bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh (Genesis 2:23). why couldnt it have been Jesus walking in the garden. After creating Adam, God "put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it" (Genesis 2:15). Jesus is Lord God, He is the Son of God. God goes to great lengths to explain how he wants the relationship to be. Maybe He was physically there throughout the short time that they were in the Garden, but I have my doubts., By a plain reading, Genesis 2:7 and 2:22c reasonably are inferred to imply that the place where God formed Adam, and then Eve, was a place some way *outside* of the garden (and this place likely being that of the shore of a river or a sea). I think too many people are confused about what it means that something is directly stated, or implied, or that we might infer, etc. The idea of God openly talking and physically walking with Adam and Eve is that God is interested in humans and want to develop a close friendship with them. Let me shine light on tis section you have written: If you will count the number of people listed as being created, you will find Adam #1, Eve #2 then Cain #3 and Able #4. so thats a total of four people listed as being on the Earth. Randy Alcorn (@randyalcorn) is the author of over sixtybooks and the founder and director of Eternal Perspective Ministries. I guess its just hard to let go of certain ideas, but we must always allow our thinking to be challenged by what Scripture actually says rather than what we want it to say. god wanted to walk (live) with them in an ongoing and fruitful relationship and the whole book of Leviticus shows them how to correctly walk with god. When God asked them how they knew they were naked, and asked them if they had eaten from the tree they were not to. Perhaps some people may have this figurative sense in mind when they speak of our first parents walking with God. Thanks! Hello! He could have done it audibly from the heavens, or He could have spent time with Adam in the garden. What does it even mean? My goal in these types of blog posts is to encourage believers to look carefully at the text. If strong wind is a better translation, then it would not be saying that God was walking in the garden, but instated that He was moving in the garden. Their physical condition changed as a result of their eating the forbidden fruit. It seems from Scripture that they lived on manna exclusively. Well done! There is a possibility that we should understand that Hebrew text to be speaking about something more like the whirlwind at the end of Jobthat they heard the sound of God moving about (not walking) in the Garden. Job 38:1 states, The YHWH answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said:. I know you didnt use the word constant but thats sort of the point in my article. I know its there somewhere, isnt it? Just a quick note: The verb used here in verse 8 to describe the divine movement of God mihalli (sorry, my keyboard isnt able to type this word out correctly) suggests iterative and habitual aspects. Yet now the man and the woman are hiding from God in fear. Adam and Eve obeyed God. We know that God is Omnipresent. I completely agree that Adam and Eve had the freedom to obey or disobey regarding the forbidden fruit, but that doesnt really have anything to do with my point in this post. 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Even the best of our actions is imperfect. And God created a new animal to be a companion for Adam and Eve. Im sure the water God supplied was for the animals as well as the people. 19 Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, >>>>>and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. Even if this translation is accurate, which is debatable, it does not say that they walked with God. Could the person who was walking in the Garden have been the Angel of the Lord or the Pre-Incarnate Christ? This walking refers to living a life that pleases God. But that isnt the point of what I wrote. 11 Not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. (Genesis 3:8). Ive heard pastors, speakers, authors, and many other Christians confidently state that Adam and Eve walked with God in the Garden of Eden. Thanks for reading! I would think that they received one on one instruction from God. Walking with God means you are in agreement with Him and His ways ( Amos 3:3 ). they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the gardenThe divine Being appeared in the same manner as formerlyuttering the well-known tones of kindness, walking in some visible form (not running hastily, as one impelled by the influence of angry feelings). I hope this clarifies my objective in the post. Genesis 3:8 KJV. 10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden. Your email address will not be published. If used in this sense, Adam and Eve did walk with God prior to sin because there was no fracture in their relationship with God. Genesis 3:8. If you must doubt something, I think you would have to doubt that. I to am searching regarding worship in OT times and wondered about Adam walking with God. Then something happened. If I give full and clear credit to you with a link to your illustration Adam-Eve-Shame as follows: http://midwestapologetics.org/blog/?attachment_id=1350. We know that God is capable of doing this, but my point is that the text never states or implies that He did. 16 The Lord God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and . Gen 18 - Abraham's discussion and bargaining with the LORD (YHWH) Ex 3 - Moses at the burning bush. Genesis 3:8 Can you imagine what it must have been like in the garden of Eden, before sin entered the world? I can see that cool of the day can be also be breath, spirit, or wind. I dont find your suggestion to be plausible. Could Adam and Eve have actually taken walks with God in the Garden? Im always amazed at how strongly some people try to defend certain positions. What is the one thing that He values the most, as we know it? This verse appears immediately after our first parents rebelled against the Creator. The natural connotation, to me, is that God often did this, perhaps daily in the cool of the day, but what was remarkable this time was that man was afraid, because he had sinned. (Gen 3:5-8). You are essentially appealing to an argument from silence. Adam and Eve and God literally walking next to each other in perfect harmony. Every description used can also be said about the angelic beings. when they heard God they hid from Him. Dear Tim Chaffey, my nephew and I have read and discussed these verses endlessly. However, that fact has very little to do with whether He walked with Adam and Eve in the garden. when they heard God walking in the garden, they hid from God. #1. There are many others that could be added to this list but this illustrates . Two things that they did see. So if they were in the garden for a month, how many times (if ever) did they walk with God? The difficulties of translation, plus inevitable translator bias, can complicate getting a true understanding. Dont you think that Adam and Eve being new and first created that God would have been extremely close to them ? The Tree of Life was in the Garden was it not? Hi Nucc, What if they were some sort of Spiritual Being as God and his Son were at the time. With this particular issue, the reason I addressed it is because I hear it so frequently. Thanks for your comments. Would that seem that they must have heard His voice at some other time. To your third point (in the next post), I think the temple imagery is overdone a bit in modern times. Thanks for reading. Yes, I do understand that God desires relationship with His peopleto walk with them as they walk with Him. Tim. But this goes beyond them, it goes back to Adam and Eve.Adam and Eve had the privilege of being with God, the way that God had intended. Hi Ed, The imagery in the temple indicates that it was recreating Eden, indicating that God was present in Eden in a special way that he was not present in other places on the earth. 8 Then the man and his wife heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the breeze of the day, and they hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. (Vs. 24 says He drove them out the he place Cherubims). When He asked them why they hid they answered Him. But God knew they had eaten the forbidden fruit. If that suggestion is accurate, then it would have been a physical presence of God coming in judgment, similar to how He spoke from the whirlwind in Job. Hi Tim, 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.". 1991 - 2023 Eternal Perspective MinistriesAll Rights Reserved. He never showed him self He when He was showing himself to Moses and the others He revealed himself to in some other form. Thanks for your focus on this and for sharing the fruits of your consideration of the passage. When they heard the sound of the Lord God walking about in the garden at the breezy time of the day, the man and his wife hid themselves from the Lord God among the trees of the garden (Gen. 3:8). And I completely agree that where Adam failed, Christ prevailed. "Walked with God" is a favorite expression in Genesis, depicting the righteous conduct of Israel's heroes, including Enoch, Noah, and Abraham. (Vs. 21) Did the wind drive them out of the garden? As God had promised, they became mortal. The Genesis account contains provocative clues as to what Adam and Eve lost by withdrawing from God. And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. No human can view the full reality of God and . is not an accurate analogy. The Bible doesnt say that, and that is the point of the article. In the plain reading of Genesis 1-3, we learn that God created the first two people: Adam and Eve. It means closeness, intimacy, communion. Again, Im not opposed to the idea at all, but the text just never says it. Noah walked with God Genesis 6:9. They had bone and flesh before they sinned, before they recognized their nakedness. Later after the fall of man, mankind lost the ability to see God physically save through the theophany. First, we are told that God made man from the dust of the ground, and he didnt become a living being until God breathed the breath of life into him (Genesis 2:7). I just dont get your argument. Seems to me there was plenty of interaction & communication between Adam (& Perhaps Eve) and God. Further, although the phrase could be translated as a strong wind, the text would still say that he came walking in a strong wind. Therefore God was not always with them in the Garden, not as we know it anyway. This is what most people have in mind when they speak of the Lord walking with Adam and Eve. I know this article about Adam and Eve walking with God in the Garden is over 6 years old, but I just now discovered it. Sincerely, 16 I also will do this unto you I will appoint unto you terror consumption burning ague that shall consume the eyes and cause sorrow of heart and you shall sow your seed in vain your enemies shall eat it17 and I will set my face against you 18 and if you still dont listen to Mei will punish you 7 times more for your sins please not that it is sin that seperates man from god. Ive added that to the article now to help clarify that point. My post is not arguing against the idea that Adam and Eve had some sort of relationship with the Lord prior to the Fall. An additional notable commentary is that God made Adam in His image and likeness, and imbued him with His Spirit the breath of life. And they heard the sound of the Lord God, walking in the garden. How cool would that be! If we were to narrowly abide only what the text OUTRIGHT affirms of given things, then this inference would be patently erroneous or, at least, unreasonable. . You indicate a possible strong wind; did this wind also speak to the serpent and curse it? Im not sure where you got the idea that Im hellbent on trying to make a point of saying that Adam and Eve did not walk with God. I have no problem with the idea that Adam and Eve may have walked with God, which is what I stated in the conclusion of the post and in several follow-up comments. God Arraigns Adam and Eve. Can a whirlwind fulfill those processes? The untold truth of the Garden of Eden. But why wouldnt the Israelites use the animals for sustenance-milk,meat,skins, etc. You say that since Gods coming is right after Adam and Eve sin, that His reason for coming is to proclaim judgment. What an absolute honor we have as human beings to be made in the image of the Creator and to be called to demonstrate who He is and what He is like. But I dont think we need to have them walking with God in the garden to show how bad sin is. To be clearagain. As I mentioned in my post, I have absolutely no problem with the idea that they might have walked with God in the garden. So I will get rid of the statement being discussed here. Instead of adding our own ideas to Scripture and stating them dogmatically and demanding apologies from anyone who disagrees, perhaps we should learn to deal carefully with the word of God. Regarding your logic in your blog post here, titled, Did Adam and Eve Walk with God in the Garden? Regardless, my point is that Adam was familiar enough to recognized it was God. Tim, thanks for striking the axe at the root of this human imagined concept. And then. Genesis 2:19 They heard God's approach as a terrible wind that lashed the trees of the garden, and they took cover. One of my Bible study ladies commented about the command to not eat of the fruit lest they die as possibly being a mystery to Adam and his wife. If the voice of God walking in the garden caused them to run and hide because of disobedience, sin, judgement. Adam and Eve enjoyed a relationship with God, and with each other, that was unhindered by the disruptive power of sin. It saddens me to let go of the notion that God would hang out with them in the cool of the evening. never seen what GOD actually looks like. I believe whenever we read the words The Word of the Lord came to such and such prophet, that means Jesus (who is the Word of God)literally came to that individual as Jesus appeared to John on the Island of Patmos. Please note that both boys were conceived and born after sin had entered the Earth. Weve arrived at a very similar conclusion very recently that Adam and his wife or help-meat very possibly disobeyed their creators command not to eat of the fruit of tree in the midst of the garden the first day they were placed there. So what did they hear in the Garden? I plan to search through it much more. Yes, Adam and Eve were sinless, but this doesnt mean that Gods physical presence needed to be right where they were. Later that day, God was walking in the Garden of Eden. Your desire to keep us focused on what the Word actually says is to be commended. Thank you Michael. I suppose so, but seems illogical, Hi Daniel, Thanks for your thoughts and kind words. Fifth, if someone doesn't like the idea that God knew they would be . Looking at that from an opposite perspective; Is it not also true that it is not stated they werent walking with God? Who were they conversing with? And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel.". Gen 2:16-17. Ive heard far too many people claim, The Bible says Adam and Eve walked with God in the cool of the day. Thats simply false. God Was Angry. Here is the verse in its entirety. Hi Mel, You claim the following, which I label as CLAIM #1. the Word of God walked in Eden. The book of Genesis tells us that the Lord appeared and fellow-shipped with Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden (ch. When Eve gave birth to Seth (at age 130) she viewed him as a replacement for Abel. So if the strong wind idea is actually being conveyed by the Hebrew, then there is no textual basis for claiming that Adam and Eve walked with God in the Garden in the cool of the day. Hi David, At the same time, Adam understood what God meant when He spoke to him, so there clearly was some preprogramming that occurred when God created him. Hi Robert, Adam's spiritual life, through fellowship with God, depended on Adam's respect for God's laws. Please read Genesis 3:8-10: "Later they HEARD the VOICE OF JEHOVAH GOD as he was walking in the garden about the breezy part of the day, and the man and his wife hid from the face of Jehovah God among the trees of the garden. I dont have a problem with people thinking that Adam and Eve walked with God (as I stated, they may have), but I want people to realize that the Bible doesnt say that they did. Thank you for reaffirming to me that we can say anything about God and find some reason for or against our reasoning, and that is why we have to be very careful to know what Gods Word says! I dont believe I said anywhere in the post or in the comments that the coats of skin were made from animals, although I certainly believe this is easily the most logical conclusion. Useful insights. Or perhaps just the knowledge of being disobedient & the result of knowing their nakedness is what caused him to be afraid. After all, how old did they have to be to be a keeper of sheep and a tiller of the land? 15? So no, I will not take down this post or apologize for it, unless you can actually show me where the Bible says that they did walk with God. The impression people usually get is that Adam and Eve were in the garden for a long time, enjoying daily walks with God. Because the Bible never says that Adam and Eve walked with God. As I stated in the article and numerous times in the comments section, I have no trouble believing that they walked with God, but it is unwise for Christians to claim that the Bible says they did. I am searching for ideas about the absence of God in the Garden. The impression given is one of God being there in an embodied form, performing surgery on the man, building Eve and then walking her to Adam. He was given the title of the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" because he knew good and evil. Not because I think Im right and feel holier than thou but it was just something burning in me saying NO. Genesis 2 describes Adam and Eve's first homethe Garden of Eden. When God gave commandments to Adam and Eve, he also granted them the ability to intelligently decide whether to keep that covenant from God, or choose to disobey God. The Bible doesnt tell us how old Cain was when he murdered his brother, but it does give us a potential clue. With that in mind, what makes you say, from the text of Genesis, that the phrase translated cool of the day would be better translated a strong wind? If strong wind is the better translation, when prior to this event did God manifest himself to Adam and Eve in a strong wind in such a way that when they heard the strong wind on this occasion, they knew instantly that it was the sound of God? As my case shows and many of the comments here show, man created truth is powerful over our minds. 15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. Granted, Adam and Eve walking with God poses no theological problems, but my point here is that the strength (or better, weakness) of that particular argument is roughly the same. Here is just one example about working the land 26:1 make no idols. the Bible states that the man (species) was driven out of the Garden of Eden. In a similar way, we are told in the New Testament to walk in the Spirit (Galatians 5:16). This is something I have heard countless times, and based on the number of responses trying to justify such a view, its pretty clear that a lot of others have heard it and/or taught it. I have read the account of Creation, Adam and Eve, and the Fall so many times in my lifetime, but I just recently realized that the Bible doesnt say that Adam and Eve walked with God in the Garden. What do you think?? Just read John 1 it says God was there in the beginning and on earth in the flesh so just read the book. While its true they could have been over 120 years old when Cain killed Abel, they also could have been any age from very young up to 120+. The article is not imposing a narrow standard that makes no room for inference or implication. He put the Man he had just made in it. However, I also notice in chapter 2 that Adam recognized God speaking (commanding) to him concerning the forbidden tree. 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