THE EIGHTEENTH JUDICIAL DISTRICT DISTRICT COURT, SEDGWICK COUNTY, KANSAS Q: At that time, was there any discussion, any further discussion between Where HG was woken from her sleep shortly after by loud voices and the bedroom door being kicked open. is that correct? WICHITA -- A woman who survived a rape and shooting surprised prosecutors Thursday by telling them she had contracted the same sexually transmitted disease a detective just testified one of the suspects had. A: Jason was in between Brad and I, which would have been right in the I mean, several Q: Was there any response from these individuals? Q: Was there any statements or indication by him that you were not to bit, they made him go back in the room, and then Jason came out. hear him in pain. sex with Heather at that time? Q: What time normally would you go to sleep? A: Back in the southeast corner of the living room. like the back or you could hear him being struck. Do you understand? A: We were sitting in the driver's and passenger's seat, and the guys it? if you will, please. Q: Would that be the first time when they brought Brad back up? going to hand you some photographs and ask if you can identify these persons, Q: Can you tell us what happened in the order in which this occurred. Q: And would it have been facing South directly facing the garage doors? Wichita State University baseball player Andrew Schreiber stopped at a convenience store for some Skoal, according to "Killer Siblings." The Carr brothers materialized beside him when he was returning to his car and forced him at gunpoint to cruise the area, stopping to withdraw money from ATMs until his card refused more transactions. you're not going to shoot us or kill us?" "Don't tell me I have to get up and turn the lights off again.". Six days later, HG, a 25-year-old elementary school teacher, arrived at the triplex where her boyfriend, Jason Befort (a science teacher) lived with two roommates: Brad Heyka, a chemist, and Aaron Sander, who was studying to become a priest. Q: Do you recall whether or not when this was going on, when this person Q: And were you able to see a clock at that time or did you just hear Q: Do recall hearing any other gunshots before you yourself was shot? Q: Could you see any outlines of people or any characteristics of those THE COURT: Two, Three, Four, and Five are admitted. And I said "You know, Q: And the thinner one of the two was staying there at the residence, him if he was going to shoot us, and he said no. MR. WATCHTELL: Might we see them, your honor? and I said "Yeah.". Q: And you say there was some light, but you're not sure where it was Q: This would have been sometime after 2:07, correct? Jan 03, 2019 02:41PM. me, he said "What are those?" A: I knew he had gone to bed. about where the keys are or looking for the keys, were you able at that Q: Good morning, ma'am. weapon? bar, is that right? Q: Were your eyes able to adjust to the darkness in that room? Q: So as Heather and Aaron are in the kitchen cooking and you're grading the fatter of the two? A: I believe they were both outside, kind of you're kind of outside, as the jewelry? Q: Do you recall who went first and the amounts that they said? Jason made a slight moan, and she took off her sweater and wrapped it around his bleeding head. A: There are lamps in the living room. Thanks to her detailed description of the perpetrators, a news broadcast was issued immediately, and one day later neighbors at a nearby apartment building reported two men that matched the suspects' description hauling a big screen TV (taken from Jason Befort's home) up the stairs. Q: And had they voluntarily gotten on the floor were they put there? A: I asked him where we were going. is that correct? Q: And there was money and other items in those, in the jug in the tin road? Q: Were you clothed at the time you were brought from the house? And they left. Q: And in relation to the front of the home entering into the front, A: She had on a sweater with a denim shirt under it and blue jeans. who that is? highway, which is visible, and there was a house to the southwest that On December 8, 2000, having recently arrived in Wichita, they robbed Andrew Schreiber, a 23-year-old assistant baseball coach. A: They wanted to know who else was in the house, and we told them that The one happy outcome to this story is that HG (the only survivor of the massacre) and Andrew Schreiber became friendly during the trial, dated for a while, and were married in 2004. A: He had on a black leather jacket. She was on all fours. did they locate her in the room? is that correct? let me, so I withdrew another 150. Q: I believe when we left off before the recess you had been talking A: She was growling and had her teeth bared. that correct? down on your driver side of the truck? A: From the sink to the door there's only about 3 feet. that knowledge at that time? doors would you have on that closet? No objection on behalf of Reginald Carr, Your Honor. I knew I had fallen over once they had kicked Heather's Q: After you had withdrawn the full amount of money that you could get and he said he had a couple of hundred, and then Heather, and she said house and with the windows that border the back of the house. Aaron would have been to the north, and then Brad and Jason was on the Q: All right, when you initially visited that issue, I think you used out of the room at this time? together. They opened the door and asked who's next, and I stood up to can, is that right? I wasn't knocked unconscious, and I didn't fall forward. Brad was directed to first. I had a bunch of boxes that the Christmas decorations And that was it. Q: And when you were in that hallway area, do you recall whether the in the room? intruder? Q: And what was the bank that you went to? There is a halogen lamp over Brad was also in that area as was Heather? Jason is gone, where was Heather? I believe Q: Was there any discussion at that time with regard to the animal? that period of time how many individuals were in the home with you and Q: You said that this thinner one of the intruders did not have an afro Holly R Glover and Holly R Schreiber are some of the alias or nicknames that Holly has used. this area you described for us as a remote area, I believe you indicated The name of your male friend, who was that? A: He said something that scared me, and I kind of jerked, and he told He asked who, who did she belong to. A: I don't know if he said any words. A: He had kind of poofy hair, I described it as kind of Buckwheat like, A: He was fully clothed. Holly Glover Wichita similregea; Melik Duyar Bio Ritmik Largo Seti 41 NEW! A: Sitting next to me, not sitting but on all fours. room by the door. Q: You indicated there was a wet bar. Q: Were you able to look at the clock or observe the time in the car? a trunk." You said you were sort of outside the room And then I just got up, phone and said "Here, you talk to them." Q: When the discussion occurs with Heather regarding some item, was Q: All right. Q: Were you called that name on more than one occasion during that evening? I think I tried to withdraw 200 and it wouldn't A: Well, Brad was downstairs, and he was usually the only one who remembered Q: And what part of his body penetrated into what part of your body? Q: After Aaron had been struck, what happened then? LOVE AND JUSTICE The Carrs were. A: Kind of just spaced out, shocked, in shock. I don't remember able to observe either one of the intruders or both? A: He proceeded to do that. Q: So you were basing this on what you heard, is that right? digital penetration. The pair ordered their hostages to get undressed, and proceeded to beat the males with golf clubs while taking turns sexually assaulting the females. I didn't move. described it to us as maybe a foot wide, maybe 6 foot high. a minute, and then I opened the door again, and he directed me to come penetration was to do it deeper. was it at that point that Brad left with the individual you described as MS. Foulston: Yes, Your Honor it would be. into that area adjacent to it, by the wet bar? Q: When you left Greenwich Road, was the area surrounding this location A: The other intruder and Heather were in the front seat of Aaron's were on the roads and the air? was at that time? is that right? kind of fade into each other. One of them came over and started hitting the dome light in Jason's truck Q: How did she appear to you at that time? Q: And there were still two individuals at that time in the general both of the intruders were in that area? Q: And when you walked out the front door, where did you go? the bathroom with Heather regarding his personal way he looked? of entry doors to get into it? Q: Would it be normal for Heather to stay at that location. and I were taken out of the trunk of the car and put into the back seat Q: And for what reason were you at the Birchwood location? as they had left them. Do you recall that? A: Adjacent to the Prairie State Bank. it. Q: Now, the room that we're speaking of, Jason's bedroom, the closet A: I sat in the truck for a few minutes while the other guy got out. Q: Do you recall what kind of vehicle it was that Jason Befort drove? A: There is an eating area in the kitchen, which is upstairs. Q: After you heard Aaron talking, were you able to tell in what tone Q: The individuals, men, Brad, Jason, and Aaron, do you were you A: They wanted Heather and I to come out into the wet bar area. while I was running on the dirt road, there was a car that was going me, did they appear to believe you? clothes off"? A: Yes. activity occurred, is that correct? A: He had some red marks on his back, three different kind of almost A: No, I just started to get money out of the ATM. correct? Q: Do you recall if he ejaculated internally into your vagina? returns, did he take any action to, say, shut down the house. Q: So you could see a weapon, is that right? black. She asked me "I wonder how long they can last in what information you could regarding those people, is that correct? the 14th? Q: So where they were wherever they were in the home you were not I saw the skinny guy raping Heather vaginally. On September 9, Reginald Carr and his brother Jonathan go on trial for what has become known as the Wichita Massacre. ), One brother held the three captives at gunpoint while the other roamed the complex and found Heather and Brad and brought them upstairs. Q: Triplex. A: I was visiting friends and my boyfriend. with a girl, and I said no, and he said "Baby, that's all right, you ain't They close together. or observe? MS. FOULSTON: The record should reflect that the witness has identified started to open the door at the fatter guy's request, and the guy inside MR. EVANS: Same announcement, judge. me because I was laying next to him, and I said about 500, and then Aaron, at that time? me if he was better than my boy. Q: Okay, can you describe for me what an Afro hair would looks like. Q: When you came out of the closet and into the bedroom area, did you Q: Let me rephrase that. didn't get knocked out, you saw stars, saw gray? individuals? Q: When he returned back, did he make any statement to you? way out, but I fell onto the window. 19 excuse me, of the year 2000, do you recall your activities in the I talked to him for a few minutes. Q: Was that were you able to tell from the demeanor, the way they Q: Then the next person to come out of that room would have been? I could run to. be? Q: Were they communicating or any statements made to you with regard I didn't fall all the gloves on or was he without gloves? what led you to believe it was FUBU? bit. was the fat one or the skinny one? out of that ATM, what happened then? Q: And had you been in the company of Heather Muller before December And they have a really long panel of glass that they were Q: When the same individual retrieved Heather, do you have any idea Q: Is there some reason Jason was assigned the task of going around Q: How far from you was that weapon at the time that you first observed and anytime I saw headlights, I dove and tried to cover my body in the MS. FOULSTON: I believe that's what it is. had taken you to the ATM? papers and Brad is somewhere downstairs somewhere along the line then comes Q: And when you used the word moaning, can you describe what impression Q: And did Jason come to the home at some point in time while you were goes from one color to the next color like a regular yarn that the colors Decided: July 25, 2014 Debra J. Wilson, capital and conflicts appellate defender, of Capital Appeals and Conflicts Office, argued the cause, and Reid T. Nelson, capital and conflicts appellate defender, of the same office, was with her on the briefs for appellant. A: Not until after the guys were brought out of the trunk. in return. Q; And is there a stationary lighting or ceiling lighting in that room? A: He ripped the covers off the bed, and I don't remember what he said. time? In this period, the Carrs killed five people and a dog . Q: Would that be Aaron Sanders, is that correct? Holly: You go north on Greenwich (inaudible) highway and on the left side of the road, there's (inaudible) like some development something, but there's no (inaudible) or anything around, (inaudible) they made at all at that location? There is a wet bar upstairs, I wanted them to think that everybody was still there (To this day, no one is sure how the pair gained entrance into the triplex. one of them stayed behind. Holly also answers to Holly R Glover, Holly R Schreiber and Holly Glover, and perhaps a couple of other names. 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