Walking by the Holy Spirit is being FILLED with DIVINE Love, DIVINE Peace, DIVINE Faith, DIVINE Joy, DIVINE Meekness, DIVINE Longsuffering, DIVINE Temperance, DIVINE Gentleness, DIVINE Goodness. Jesus is real and He wants to be your Lord and Savior. Exd 4:7 KJV And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. by Jonathan Welton. John 6:15 Unfortunately, all we have to test the spirits with is the video. Susan healing is for everywhere, not just outside the church. GaryB quoted the right scripture in Acts 5:38-39, And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow itlest you even be found to fight against God.. 2Corinth 13:1. (Galatians 5:15 NASB), If you slander Gods children then God doesnt like it , I would rather stay silent about someone than slander them. The Danish citizen had been living with family in North Carolina since last year, and he's . Many Christians will fall into deception because of this speaking in tongues phenomenon and the Spirit of Fire that accompanies speaking in tongues. But it seems they had not spiritual fathers to teach them to temper themselves, and no watchmen to watch their backs, just accolades after accolades and pats on the back and a pedestal to stand upon, and so now we see the sad results. I just found out this is free today on Wigglesworth: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009W9CYUE/?tag=untagged-20. He can also STOP anytime He wants to. Neither did He give any dogmas or creeds which may be used to distinguish believers from non-believers. He thought God was going to leave him hanging out on a limb after Moses said all the things God told him to say. But Yeshua calls His followers sheep. Look at all the healings in the NT. Sndergaard's attorneys are filing an appeal. Jesusanswered,Verily,verily,I sayunto thee,Excepta manbe bornofwaterandofthe Spirit,he cannotenterintothe kingdomof God. Ive only brought a dose of reality to the discussions, with some serious, and important, things to think about. Sadly, Torben chose to include the oldest parlor trick in the book, making someones supposedly shorter leg grow longer. You said, `the backdrop of the whole Bible is needed to understand the point & purpose of revelation.` So true. So, are you saying that water baptism is necessary to be saved and receive eternal life? They are all in a web of deception. Torben is a preacher, teacher, and author who was born in 1976 in Herning, Denmark. aberrant, abnormal, addlepated, flaky; extraordinary, fantastic (also fantastical), freak, freakish, freaky, phantasmagoric (or phantasmagorical), phenomenal; atypical, rare, singular, uncommon, uncustomary, unique, unusual, unwonted; conspicuous, notable, noticeable, outstanding, prominent, salient, striking; atrocious, outrageous, shocking; crotchety, idiosyncratic, nonconformist, nonmainstream, out-there, unconventional, unorthodox; baffling, bewildering, confounding, mystifying, perplexing, puzzling, Near Antonyms Exd 4:6 KJV And the LORD said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. Jhn 14:16. Yet when he went back up the mountain, God said to Moses, you write the law, you want it, and so while Moses was writing the law, God was telling him about His Son and grace. of hyper-grace and hyper-charismania. These are genuine brothers in Christ, myself I have no doubt of that, I love them just from the videos, and I believe they have genuine spiritual gifts. QUIT TRYING TO PUT HIM IN A BOX OF YOUR OWN MAKING. A man was in the corner with his shirt off screaming inaudibly at a mirror and writhing about as if he was on fire. 7 And all the men were about twelve. Sndergaard's legal spokesman told CBN News, "Torben's asylum case is very strong, the judge ignored the facts of the case, and Torben will not be deported anytime soon.". Acts 14:10-15 step 4. Note the reference in the NT to the elders laying on of hands on the sick. I think the real point of the videos is to teach people to go out in public and pray for the sick and tell them about Jesus. Come on people! Yet these men have said that God did these things and gave glory to Him. Can look my daughters and my wife in the eye. This shows the administrative authority of the empowered Son of Man. comments that try to pick apart every aspect of them. Yeshua said, of myself I can do nothing but only what I see and hear of the Father. I appreciate what you are saying about being in God`s presence. It needs to be the Holy Spirit enlightening our eyes with His keys for interpreting His Word. But there are some who do have shortened legs and corresponding back problems. Thank you Lord. Lightning Storm, that was the point I was making the same people go to meeting after meeting manifesting the same thingsthey are not being delivered of their manifestations nor even seeking to be.they are just playing with it all and encouraging it. If youre not experiencing His tangible Presence in your private prayer time, youre missing the LIFE that Jesus Christ DIED TO GIVE TO EACH OF US for the salvation of the rest of the world. Yes, Jesus is the same yesterday, today & tomorrow. This is what deception is all about. Trending. Very bad thing to lead off with. Not just be exposing the False. My answer is simple Jesus never copied ANYONE. Amen meanwhile press on saints. I agree jda, we ought to be leary of people like Bill Johnson. What the TV audience doesnt know is how LONG God has been PREPARING THESE PEOPLE WHO GO FORWARD. 1 Corinthians 10:1. Anytime in scripture that God done something then immediately the enemy came to destroy it. In the political world (which I dont participate in) this is what the liberal left does to conservatives by calling them names (e.g. Andrew and Torben, you are positively RIGHT ON! But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. Torben is clear-headed, informed, and full of compassion for those persecuting him. 2 Tim 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing, but unto all them also that love his appearing, Jonathan, you ask Where do you get your identity? Jonathan, as a born again believer in our risen Savour the Lord Jesus Christ I am identified with Christ and in Union with Him and I/we Christians are currently seated with Him in heavenly places (Eph). He did not create us as clones, but as unique individuals, according to (and for) His pleasure. Ultimately each person is responsible for themselves Romans 14:4. All I was doing was pointing out that the video evidence alone doesnt prove what it purports to prove. In this case, I dont know if Toben is an elder or not as that fact is not made clear. `in His hand is a sacred censer.`, This shows the regenerative ability of the entitled Son of Man in His Creatorship & Judgeship. Jesus insisted that men have faith in Him, love Him and have koinonia with Him: He who is not with me is against me; and he that does not gather with me scatters . Leaving them to hunger and thirst after more. When you are born again you are automaticallySPIRITUALLYbaptised by Jesus Christ onto the One and Only baptism there is, where after the Holy Spirit comes to live in you. Watchful..I found where Paul makes that statement about FEARING for the church in Corinth. Thats not to say that God wont act through people. It is the The MANIFESTATIONS of demons are NORMAL when people are praying for DELIVERANCE AND CASTING THEM OUT. 1 Corinthians 6:11. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand [was] leprous as snow. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWOPcBry4-k. Time will tell if Torben has been sent by God to do the ministry works of Jesus as His ambassador on this earth. No Manuels, no charging new Christians money so they can also heal the sick, no techniques, just a very simple prayer in Jesus name and IT WORKS! He told the story that immediately after he was born again, he read the scripture saying to lay hands on the sick and they shall recover. this man has understanding of what it is all about, going to the needy.Groups of youth go out in Redding, Ca to pray for people. This i believe: Jesus was emphasizing both the Water and His pending Holy Spirit in Jhn 3:5 I was familiar with sick people, having ministered to them for so many years. Barry do you (or anyone else.?.) If I were putting my life out in the public eye with videos on the Internet, then I would expect true believers to test what I was doing. It boils down to: YOU DONT KNOW HOW GOD OPERATES AND YOU NEVER WILL. Wow Paul, how dare you suggest that water baptism is not a central part of the Gospel of God? And when man USES these things, that is witchcraft. He said that they needed to be naked before the Lord, or the Lord would not give him prophetic words for them. Mar 9:39 KJV But Jesus said, Forbid him not: FOR THERE IS NO MAN WHICH SHALL DO A MIRACLE IN MY NAME, THAT CAN LIGHTLY SPEAK EVIL OF ME. This video speaks of the amazing things that happen when you take new believers out healing the sick, preaching and baptizing, etc. In short, he is part of NAR.Although my area of focus has been on American leaders of NAR, I do want to draw people's attention to this European teacher as someone to watch. Accordingly, I cannot judge your motives or your walk with the Lord, nor can you judge mine. But I dont think he forbids us either to learn and talk about what scripture teaches us, concerning not profaning the holy things (specifically miracles) and where it can lead, especially where miracles are taking place. I find that rather humorous, considering I have seen the things of the Spirit, and believed in the moving of Gods Spirit, since I was 8-10 years old. Updated 7 Dec, 2020. I agree with Andrew that there is a difference between cynicism and discernment. 1) to be struck with fear, to be seized with alarm The early church emphasised the objective teaching of the apostles over subjective feelings, and that teaching is contained in the whole of the New Testament, including pre and post Acts. I would love to talk to people who are also victims, who had a bad experience with it, or whatever. POLITICS is RUINING CHRISTIANITY by Andrew Strom, SHOCKING BIBLE STUDY The Lost Foundations by Andrew Strom, YOUNG BELIEVERS HEAL THE SICK Torben Sondergaard. He says that people that were baptised by John the Baptist needed to be baptised again by the Holy Spirit. Person now worships God, praises Jesus, and is Torben born again due to the fact that they can now speak in gibberish tongues. Can we not stick to Gods word as the ultimate authority? There isnt any! And after all, Paul himself said that ANYTHING THAT IS NOT OF FAITH IS SIN. always been very clear that true healings, prophecies, dreams, I conclude by re-stating that it is 100% biblical to test the spirits and those who want to engage in name calling are not willing to honestly test what they are seeing. Roger yes this has been going on perpetually but there are seasons in history where this ordinary supernatural normal hits the mainstream of the populace and other seasons where it wins and is obscured to small pockets. Within a few minutes I felt a deep concern and compassion rise up inside of me and found my self spontaneously and effortlessly inquiring of the ladies health condition. Tell me from Gods word why it is wrong to test the spirits? I did nothing of myself ! AUTHenticity= AUTHor, AUTHority It is all about Him and not of us at all. This why I said that you dont know me and you know absolutely nothing of my life. The Lord will honor the heart that seeks Him and is humble before Him, even if there are areas of the persons life which are not in full obedience to Him. John 3:5. mania in recent times, it is very easy to become cynical about The pitfall that the Lord was gracious to show me is a danger that needs to be avoided, its not fear mongering or inappropriate to shine a light on the enemys snares, it is love and concern, not to mention a duty. Lord heal out hearts of the cynicism. As an aside, God doesnt need to use any of us to heal anyone. ALL flesh is susceptible, ALL flesh. After the time of the book of Acts came to an end, speaking in tongues and prophecy ceased. This is a VERY important part of following Jesus , He tells everyone to do this . Our church is starting to get into witnessing on the street and giving out gospel tracts and such. If a person believes I do not have to always obey The Lord Jesus , in their heart they also believe I do have to listen to Jesus . At the instant their hands touched, a flash of dynamic power went through my person and through the sick woman, and as my friend held her hand, the shock of power passed through her hand into him. He was confirmed in the state church after being immersed as a child, but actually completely out of habit. Just like Jesus did with his own disciples. The fire that is called down from heaven by the beast that being the Roman Catholic church is 1) spiritual/demonic which leads to a satanic awakening and 2) the Antichrist himself will call down actual fire from heaven in the sight of men. Torben Sondergaard is married to his beautiful wife, Lene Sondergaard. making who dont know the first thing about him. Luke, the beloved physician shows the Lord`s pity, His grace, His considerate care & tender touch, His sincere sympathy & loving look, His mercy & compassion all blended into perfect harmony in one person our Lord & Saviour, Jesus Christ. Thank the Lord Jesus! I think a lot of people need to repent. 17 minutes of a guy basically saying be healed in Jesus name and they are better. I will post a few excerpts from the book Your Power In The Holy Spirit by John G Lake, who I personally believe was a man used mightily by God to advance His Kingdom in the early 1900s. Correction And yes the first video was full of evidence that we are dealing with a genuine and anointed man of God. Even the promise od Jesus coming is questioned . Rom 3:23 KJV For all have sinned, and COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD; In other words.you have failed to manifest the tangible Presence of God and His Nature. Gods word teaches in 1 John 3 & 4 that the Holy Spirit resides in us. The Gospel of Luke is about Christ the Mediator, the One who is touched with the feelings of our infirmities. Just a glimpse of God`s great work. Some fall into the ditch Regarding sending out new believers to heal people, I dont see the parallels to that in the New Testament. Being FEARFUL, WORRIED, ANXIOUS, CONCERNED is the opposite of putting your FAITH (trust and confidence) in God. 1 John 3:5. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Minister Starker. For behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, And deep darkness the people; But the Lord will arise over you, And His glory will be seen upon you.. Its time to do an article on this guy. 3 And he said to them, To what then were you baptized? An x-ray showed severe damage, and I was off work for 3 weeks on my back, then a return to work still suffering from pain in lower back and leg (sciatica). The choice to believe that God heals today is choice made by each believer. Sheriff's Office Openly Praises the Lord as Dozens of Inmates Get Baptized, Pledge Lives to Christ, Rabbi, Wife Sponsor Knesset Gathering to Focus Attention on the Widowed, Orphaned. But as Teshuva said the enemy will come to try and destroy the works of God, it is not a matter of if, it is only a matter of when, so it is a kindness when the enemy is seen coming in the distance that someone warns of it. 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. A friend of mine wanted to know about Bill Johnson, because he has a friend who is caught up in the Bill Johnson ministry stuff. I stand by my statements that all the supposed healings in these videos cannot be objectively proven by the video evidence alone. (Acts 10:38 NASB), Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Have you ever noticed that Noah and his family were saved THROUGH water and not by being immersed IN water. Going beyond the person to see what the Lord is doing in & through them. He doesnt pander to the fallen flesh of man that craves excitement and goosepimples.He does works according to His own will and purposes, to show His love and kindness and authority, to open receptive hearts, etc, but not by way of cow-towing or showing off. ". Please check your information and try again or call us at 1-800-759-0700. For forgiveness of sin? ! healings and miracles, etc. Torben in that instance yes, because their baptism was a baptism unto repentance, now they had to be baptised by the Holy Spirit into believing in Christ Jesus. He comprehends the sorrow of a bereaved soul. 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