At the end of the day, Greg noted that most members fly solo or with only one passenger and, for that reason, the airplane has to be fun to fly, and it is. So whats not to like? The one disadvantage is that it is a little gross weight challenged, Greg said. Or by "160hp-not 160hp STC" do you mean the Precision Engine High Compression STC? But in the mid-90s, they decided to make a change[see this months Club Spotlight]. The Tiger was designed by Grumman engineers and was first produced in late 1974 as the 1975 model. With afixed-pitch prop and fixed gear, its simple to operate. The Skyhawk and Cherokee families have long served as the go-to solution for economical four-place aircraftand more-powerful, complex machines like those from Mooney and Beechcraft have defined the top of the single-engine-piston market. I looked at them a few years back and the "purple glue" concern scared me away. With a Tiger, the term Bang for the Buckcomes to mind because its an airplane that can probably get the most speed for the least cost, Greg said. Bill & Carol Scott, who own the high-compression STC, don't have the resources to do the full testing and certification protocol themselves, so the modified Cheetah is artificially limited to 157 hp to conform to the original specs. Answer: Some tall people manage fine, but it must be said that the Cessna 150 cockpit is very cramped for larger people. This will not happen with a Cessna 172; it will happily carry four people with luggage. Jason McDowell. I was gonna ask him the same thing. Our 115-hpCitabriawas a fun, inexpensive aircraft that provided very stable air and ground handling for lower time pilots and entry-level aerobatic capabilities for more experienced pilots, Greg said. And, if you are doing aerobatics, you need parachutes that need to be repacked regularly, which would add a cost. 157 hp is less than 5% more than the original 150 hp, and 5% is the fudge factor the FAA allows to avoid recertification. You can literally fly with your pinkies.. If your club is looking for an economical aircraft that can serve as a primary trainer and a solid cross-country platform. Even if you dont use the Citabria for aerobatics, there is something romantic about flying a taildragger with a stick particularly one that is light and responsive to control inputs. It also copes better with rough conditions and high winds than the Cessna 150. Or you might prefer the Grumman AA5B, or perhaps the Diamond DV20/DA20 Katana, Ercoupe 415-C, or Diamond DA40 Star, all of which are said to be safe and easy to fly. 180-hp Lycoming O360 burns 10 gph. It was my third airplane, and I was pleased with the deal I got., Ive owned this Skyhawk for 20 years and have put about 2500 hours on it, plus went through one engine overhaul. Get the Tiger, you local flights will get boring after 100 hours and you'll want to stretch out to further destinations. Enjoy!Aircraft: N474EPC172ROutro Song:Gold Skies - Liam Aidan Through various ownership changes, such as Bellanca and now American Champion Aircraft Corporation, the simple, well-liked design has continued on with additional variations being produced such as the Decathlon and Scout. Discussion in 'Hangar Talk' started by SixPapaCharlie, Dec 14, 2015. If you currently have an account on Pilots Place, your The reason Flying Educators switched fromowning onlyCitabriasfor 30 yearsto the Tiger isso members could do more cross-country flying. You all are so wrong. New and experienced pilots alike enjoy Grummans fiberglass main gear, describing it as robust and forgiving. Enter your email and click on the I am a And, if you are doing aerobatics, you need parachutes that need to be repacked regularly, which would add a cost. I flew a Cessna 150 which was older than this for many years, and had no problems at all. Every time I think of trading up, I have a hard time thinking of selling a really good airplane , The Cessna 150 is the best simple and economical airplane one could ask to own. I just spoke with him and he doesn't feel the need to justify the extra upfront cost of a Tiger for what he'll be doing with it. Flying Educators requires members to already have their Private Pilot Certificate, but Greg would recommend the aircraft as a primary trainer. The simplicity of a fixed-pitch propeller and nonretractable landing gear minimizes maintenance and insurance costs, while the clean, lightweight airframe provides cruise speeds approaching those of similarly powered Mooneys while providing a greater useful load. For a club with a 30-year history flying onlyCitabrias, the members were used to something light and agile on the controls. Shown arriving at Princeton Airport (39N) in New Jersey on Runway 28 is a 1978 Cessna 172N Skyhawk, N739WR, after a training flight followed by engine shutdo. It could also be used for simple aerobatic training things like aileron rolls, loops, spins, and upset recovery. News From HQ: Old, New, and You. The Tiger is halfway between a sport plane and a Cessna 172. Its hard to beat a tandem seat aerobatic aircraft when it comes to fun. The Aircraft Spotlight feature looks at an airplane type and evaluates it across six areas of particular interest to flying clubs and their members: Operating Cost, Maintenance, Insurability, Training, Cross-Country, and Fun Factor. Insurance premiums went from over $3,000 in 2002 to over $6,000 in 2010. group of pilots and state-of-the-art forum software. Pilots Operating Handbook Cessna 152- Pilots Safety And Warning . Topping the range is the AA-5B Tiger, which entered production as a 1975 model and differed from the Cheetah primarily by being equipped with the more powerful 180 hp Lycoming O-360. Some pilots do not, since although they can see really well beneath the aircraft in the cruise, visibility in the circuit/pattern can be difficult. However, there are still a huge number being flown. Some smaller pilots struggle to fly the Cessna 172, while some large people find they have problems in the Cessna 150 And they will probably not have any issues with low-hours pilots, or anything similar. As a small pilot, with a great deal of experience in the Cessna 150, I most definitely prefer it. $37.09 + $15.58 shipping . They charge $90 an hour wet. Compared with those from other manufacturers, the Grumman design replaces many of the cables and pulleys with torque tubes. Its nimble in the air, seats four, and has a good cruising speed with minimal fuel burn. The AG-5B is uncommon, with only 150 produced as compared to more than 3,000 Travelers, Cheetahs and AA-5B Tigers. I have watched a lot of Nat Geo, Wild Kingdom, etc. One maintainer reports that the majority of incidents he sees are a result of runway overruns that began with excessive speed on final approach. If you have an autopilot, its a wonderful cross-country bird, Greg said. This appealing blend can be found elsewhere, but few options supplement it with the robust network of parts, service and support enjoyed by Grumman owners. Cessna Cessna 172 Technical Specifications Exterior Exterior Height: 8 ft 8 in Wing Span: 35 ft 8 in Length: 26 ft 9 in Interior Cabin Volume: 55 cu ft Internal Baggage: 30 cu ft Occupancy Crew: 1 Passengers: 3 Operating Weights Max T/O Weight: 2400 Lb Max Landing Weight: 2400 Lb Operating Weight: 1666 Lb Empty Weight: 1454 Lb The cockpit of the Cessna 150 is very cramped. While the early Travelers provide a slightly higher useful load than the other AA-5 models, often exceeding 900 pounds, Cheetah and Tiger owners enjoy increased pitch authority and a wide CG range provided by their larger horizontal stabilizers. , which as you know is fully aerobatic, Greg said. The Tiger was the outcome of the same redesign work on the AA-5 Traveler that resulted in the 150 hp (110 kW) Cheetah and it was originally little more than the same aircraft with a Lycoming O-360-A4K 180 hp (130 kW) engine, resulting in a 139-knot (257 km/h) cruise speed. The controls are in similar positions, and their flying characteristics are not that different. If you fly a Tiger for 20 or 30 hours and get into a Cessna 172, it feels like a truck., You cant go wrong with either a Citabria or a Grumman Tiger in your club. Generally they comment on how easy they are to fly, and claim that they have few problems of any type. If you have not yet registered, you can. Citabria burned about 5 to 6 gph, making it economical to operate. The Flying Educators isan equity clubfounded in 1962based at Ft. Lauderdale Executive Airport (KFXE). ). At the end of the day, Greg noted that most members fly solo or with only one passenger and, for that reason, the airplane has to be fun to fly, and it is. But that is what most private pilots prefer to do. It is such an OWT there's even a guy who makes satirical videos about it. Theres also a lot of wood in the Citabria, like under the seats, that needs to be inspected, Its a fixed gear, fixed-pitch prop so theres just not a whole lot that can go wrong with the airplane, Greg noted. Similar four-seat. The Tiger was designed by Grumman engineers and was first produced in late 1974 as the 1975 model. I'll PM you another one. Its very responsive. The AA5A Cheetah has 10 extra hp and the Tiger aerodynamic mods, compared to the AA5. A number of these became known as Gulfstream Americans when Gulfstream bought the Grumman line and sold them through 1979. There should be few problems with maintenance for either of these aircraft types. For more than 30 years, the 10-member club owned a Citabria. Both the Piper Archer and Cessna 172 have similar safety scores. But being a little more impartial, I would have to choose the Cessna 172, in particular the more recent models. Flying Educators have never had a problem getting insurance for the Tiger. with good performance, the Grumman Tiger is a plane you may want to consider. Ron, correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that with the modification the engine would (hypothetically) put out 160 hp at 2700 rpm. Still not fast enough to be a real cross country plane, imho. He enjoys researching obscure aviation history and serves as a judge for the National Intercollegiate Flying Association. Man erkennt eine AG-5B auch am T-frmigen Gashebel. Tigers are very reasonable now. This isn't chump speed, since the AA-5, by virtue of its slab-sided honeycomb panel fuselage, is hardly slick in the drag department. :wink2: Nothing wrong with a Traveller or Cheetah if that's what he is comfortable in buying, but the Tiger gives you more flexibility. And that was the main consideration.. Gulfstream ceased production of all piston-engined aircraft in 1979 and the highly successful Tiger design went out of production after 1323 aircraft had been delivered. ). All rights reserved. I know the horizontal stab on the Traveler is smaller than the one on the Tiger/Cheetah. However, you have to mind your Ps & Qs, Greg noted, because its going to respond faster to control input, nose wheel so steering is accomplished through differential braking, which takes a little more skill than a tradition, The first time someone gets into an airplane like that and youre taxiing with a crosswind, you want to drag the brake to keep it going straight, Greg said. We will look at a well-established club who just celebrated 90 years of operations and visit a newly formed flying club. But in the mid-90s, they decided to make a change. Aero on Demand, a Houston-based club, also operates a Tiger and it is equipped with an engine monitor providing very accurate data. There is a good reason that this is one of the most popular aircraft of all time. Autopilot, 430W, PS Engineering audio panel, JPI 830, new paint and interior. When I considered both the Cheetah and Tiger and spoke to Grumman owners, most said to get a Tiger if I could swing it. It was largely a matter of economics, Greg said. I've never heard anyone say the sliding canopy leaks. Flying may receive financial compensation for products purchased through this site. Its well suite, Grumman produced the AA5B Tiger from 1975 through 1979, and then American General produced the AG5B Tiger from 1991 through 1993. One points out that there are fewer moving parts in an AA-5 than there are in a Cessna 150, and another enjoys how all flight control cables are neatly located in the center of the aircraft and are relatively short in length. Am I safe to buy a Cheetah, get IFR and build 200 hours then sell -- or will I get bored before then and wish I would have waited for a Tiger? What are real world numbers for these two at 75%? The final variant of the AA-5 line was the AA-5B Tiger. The clubwanted an airplane better suited for cross-country travelandthey settled on the Grumman AA5B Tiger. The specs list the cruise speed at 139 knots, but Greg said theFlying Educators usually fly ateconomy cruise and get 115ktsto 120ktsground speed whilethe180-hp Lycoming O360 burns 10 gph. It could also be used for simple aerobatic training things like aileron rolls, loops, spins, and upset recovery. As of this writing, 13 examples are listed at a median price of $48,500, with a median airframe time of 3,500 hours. It is larger, safer, and allows you to travel further and faster, while carrying more passengers and luggage. The system will This makes for the Grumman's somewhat bug-eyed exterior look , but also for more room at eye level inside. Are the LoPresti Tiger cowls in production yet? It also has a faster speed and a better range. Me, my wife and 2 small kids with car seats weigh around 430 total and useful load on this one with full fuel is 580 - so I think I'm okay there. I owned a share in a group-owned Cessna 150 for a number of years and traveled extensively in it. So what are both these Cessna aircraft like to fly? Externally the Tiger looked much like the AA-5 Traveler and AA-5A Cheetah so once again Grumman's marketing department came up with a distinctive decal package to differentiate the design this time a "galloping tiger". I hang my head in shame. The AA-5 family is largely devoid of any major ADs or technical issues. Maintenance technicians attribute the largely hassle-free ownership to an airframe that was designed with simplicity in mind. Our Citabria wasnt re-covered during the time Flying Educators owned it, Greg said. 2. While the difference between the two is by no means huge, the 152 is the more economical option. Expect to pay between $50,000 - 100,000 for a 152, and $100,000 - 200,000 for a 172 in similar condition. She's published several books and articles on all things aviation and is eager to continue sharing her knowledge! If not, then which is best? Guy has over 100K in it and he is selling for 57K. I this video, I take my friend Dominick to Bakersfield to pick up that C. With relatively few problem areas, ADs or areas of concern with regard to flying characteristics, the AA-5 family checks many of the boxes required to earn its place as an approachable aircraft. The plane was always in a hangar probably a major factor.. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Pilots Operating Handbook Grumman Tiger at the best online prices at eBay! Wow, that is a beautiful Tiger, congrats! Through various ownership changes, such as Bellanca and now American Champion Aircraft Corporation, the simple, well-liked design has continued on with additional variations being produced such as the Decathlon and Scout. Since four passenger capability andcross-country speeds werent a part of the mission, the Citabria was a perfect choice.. It was largely a matter of economics, Greg said. As with the AA-5A, the AA-5B was continued in production by Gulfstream when they purchased Grumman's American division. So if you plan to take the family on holiday or something similar, the Cessna 172 is probably what you will need. assistance. But we were both fairly small, and we did have to limit ourselves to only a small amount of luggage, so as not to find ourselves with weight and balance issues. So this might well decide things for you. I believe the wing is a time life item and the end of the plane. Both of these aircraft are made by Cessna and are fairly similar when it comes to flying. Former Flying Educators Club Secretary and Treasurer Greg Utley shares his thoughts on both aircraft. When we're not in the air, we're here helping others how to join us here at Aviator Insider. Insurance premiums went from over $3,000 in 2002 to over $6,000 in 2010. Seriously, the acquisition cost is the least of his worries. Krish discussed having to change some avionics, propeller, engine cowling, and after 300 hours of flying him and his partners also had to overhaul the 180hp engine, which cost a whopping $28,000. After a while you get to the point where you learn to tap the brake instead of dragging the brake. Insurance for our 1979 Citabria (Model 7-ECA) was $870 in 89 and had risen to $2,195 when we sold it in 95, Greg said. Canopy is great when taxiing in the summer and in the pattern. The AA-5 series serves as an interesting alternative to the comparable Cessna and Piper models that make up the general aviation fleet. The Cessna 172, on the other hand, is still being produced. Enter your Username and Password to log in. Nicest one Ive ever seen. The Cessna 172 is a lot more powerful than the Cessna 150. Bombardier Challenger 350 Guide and Specs: Is It Up to the Challenge? Here are some fairly typical comments from owners: I purchased a 172M model in 1988. Its nimble in the air, seats four, and has a good cruising speed with minimal fuel burn. On the other hand, smaller people may struggle to fly the Cessna 172, particularly earlier models. It's kinda underpowered for what we were doing with it, luckily no one was heavy and the distances weren't far. Members only needed a current medical, current flight review, CFI checkout with logbook entry for the club aircraft make and model, and at least 10 hours in tailwheel aircraft. members wanted an aircraft more suited to that mission. Depending on how much exposure it has to the sun, it will need to be replaced generally about every 25 to 30 years. L14. The Cessna 172. We havent had any major problems with the Tiger., Aero on Demand said annuals without squawks. With a power setting of 2550 rpm to 2600 rpm, Mike usually cruises between 135 and 138 knots. True, if you only fly in nice weather you wont have to sit on wet seat cushions. The Cessna 150 is a two-seater aircraft, whereas the Cessna 172 is a lot larger than the Cessna 150, having four seats. Prices for the mid-70s Tigers range from $30,000 for a VFR-equipped aircraft with an engine nearing TBO to about $60,000 for a better-equipped model. This quote has been neglected and underrated for years now . The Tiger has the most reliable light aircraft engine ever designed. The Citabria breed has an AD requiring a one-time inspection of the wooden spar where they have to check it for cracks. Editorial Team Cessna 172 Skyhawk. The Aircraft Spotlight feature looks at an airplane type and evaluates it across six areas of particular interest to flying clubs and their members: Operating Cost, Maintenance, Insurability, Training, Cross-Country, and Fun Factor. Its the And if you want to buy your own aircraft, you can expect to pay between $25,000 and $50,000 for a Cessna 150, and in the region of $100,000 200,000 for a Cessna 172 in similar condition. One consideration is thatlong-termyou have to plan for fabric recovery and fabric repair. Id take a Tiger or a Cheetah over a 172, every day of the week. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Find more About Us here! Considering pre-flight, trip time, rides to and from airports, etc., it was faster driving on any trip less than about 200 miles. What are your thoughts and experience? AA-5 Traveler & AA-5A Cheetah Competitive Comparison, AA-5B & AG-5B Tiger Competitive Comparison, Pilot Familiarization Program Instructors. One operator I flew for we had a Traveller as a run around plane to gather guys in from remote strips (cheaper to fly it than the Ag planes if they need to be there tomorrow). Free shipping . Reproduction in whole or in part without permission is prohibited. I don't think you'll find any Cheetahs which weigh in at only 1314 lb empty -- 1400 is more typical. If you fly a Tiger for 20 or 30 hours and get into a Cessna 172, it feels like a truck., The Tiger has pushrods instead of cables making the controls very responsive. same friendly, informative place for all things Cessna 172, now with a larger Grumman American AA-5 Tiger In Action - YouTube This video features a Grumman American Aviation AA-5B Tiger seen flying around CZNL in Nelson, British Columbia. Are they pretty much the same? CTAF audio is included. This helps tremendously because all of the cost of ownership, flight and maintenance are all shared equally among the 4 partners. Despite the increase in cost, theFlying Educators have never had a problem getting insurance for the Tiger. Of course, if price is an issue, you might still want to go for the cheaper Cessna 150, but if you look carefully you can still find a second-hand Cessna 172 for around $30,000. The bonded aluminum construction eliminates the need for rivets, so even sitting on the ground it looks sleek. They are both basically a means to make aerial journeys, designed for touring or simply pleasure flying. So if you want to buy a new airplane, this may well be the model for you. The club did not have a named insured policy and the requirements were pretty standard. human checkbox, which will verify that you are indeed a human. 2. Tiger owner here. Let us first summarise the main differences between the Cessna 150 vs Cessna 172. So which aircraft is better? Not quite ready to buy yet, but for the right deal https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grumman-gang, Santa Rosita State Park, under the big 'W', E38F0B5E-2ED1-4B77-ADA8-8CE1FC154C26.jpeg, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. He can be found on Instagram as @cessnateur. The reports of excellent visibility are not overstated: The wraparound windows, low beltline and low instrument panel provide a panoramic view. Helen is an expert in all things aviation! She first obtained a fixed-wing Private Pilots Licence 25 years ago. first Tiger policy premium was $2,360 in 1996, which was slightly higher than the Citabria. Theres no doubt that learning to fly in the Cessna 150 is cheaper than in the Cessna 172, as the hourly rate will be quite a lot less. Former Flying Educators Club Secretary and Treasurer Greg Utley shares his thoughts on both aircraft. Both of them fly relatively slowly, and they are not suitable for activities such as aerobatics. They're thrifty to run, simple to maintain, light on the controls and have great visibility with their sliding canopies. The Cessna 150 was discontinued in 1977. Between 4,000 feet and 10,000 feet, depending on temperature, it gets between 8.3 gph to 9.2 gph,and youre doing 135 knots easy, saysAero on DemandfounderMichaelBletsch. One consideration is that. While the earlier AA-1s and AA-5s did not change much from year to year the AA-5B Tiger underwent almost continual improvement. It also has a faster speed and a better range. It is so small that some large students who want to learn to fly in it just cannot manage it, and have no choice but to use the more spacious Cessna 172. In the year or two Greg was in the club while it operated the Citabria, there were no new members without prior tailwheel experience. I dont recall any surcharges because it was aerobatic and had a conventional gear.. That said, the Citabria is a good aircraft to use for tailwheel training. , The main parts supplier for Grumman aircraft is an outfit called Fletch Air, and I think theyre based in Houston, he said. https://thepilotsplace.com/forum/login. The Cessna 150-152 and light taildraggers have been the stalwarts of basic, entry-level aviation. They fly well and are comfortable. Even with limited power (compared to 150 and 180 hp versions), and the absence of inverted fuel and oil, there were very few maneuvers appropriate for beginning aerobatic students that the airplane couldnt handle.. Mojogrip online https://mojogrip.net Add me on Instagram https://goo.gl/U7Fcca Add me on Facebook https://goo.gl/rbjE6N Back with the second half of Krishs interview. Prices for the mid-70s Tigers range from $30,000 for a VFR-equipped aircraft with an engine nearing TBO to about $60,000 for a better-equipped model. Discussion in 'Flight Following' started by BellyUpFish, Aug 29, 2011. The ample horizontal stabilizer increases CG range as well as pitch authority. They are faster, handle more crisply, have a nice sliding canopy, and are a bit more unusual than offerings from other aircraft in their class from Cessna, Piper and Beech . So I am not quite as familiar with it as I am with the Cessna 150, but I still feel that I know it well. Your login, avatars, posts and archives have all be relocated there. With a fuel burn at cruise of around 5 GPH, she does better than my Chevy S10. The Tiger was the outcome of the same redesign work on the AA-5 Traveler that resulted in the 150 hp (110 kW) Cheetah and it was originally little more than the same aircraft . I only have time in the AA1X series, the baby brother of the tiger, the canopy design I think is one of the better ones in GA, no issues, the free castor nose wheel was great for ground handling, nice shock absorbing and strong fiberglass mains, good fuel tank system, etc. On average, I can see 100 MPH while spinning the prop at just around 2300 RPM., I have owned two Cessna 150s, an F model that I purchased new in late 1965 and an M model that I purchased 39 years later in the fall of 2004. People tend to step on the seats just a problem of not knowing how to get in the plane, I believe the wing is a time life item and the end of the plane. Combined with a panoramic canopy, nimble handling, relatively modest prices and thriving owners groups, the resulting blend of strengths makes these Grummans intriguing options for new and experienced owners alike. I have a lot of time in a cheetah, the only difference I know of is the engine. The sliding, glass-rich canopy can be flown partially open in flight, adding to the pilots unique experience in this series. The final variant of the AA-5 line was the AA-5B Tiger. Additionally, the airplane can be flown with a partially open canopy, which improves the experience even further. Ill look around later for it. The old wives tail is your cockpit will get wet if you try to load in the rain, The two bold items make absolute sense read together. The Citabria is a derivative of the Aeronca Champ and was first produced in 1964 by Champion Aircraft Corporation. You cant go wrong with either a Citabria or a Grumman Tiger in your club. The lineage began with Jim Bedes homebuilt BD-1, which first flew in 1963. The most popular of the Grumman series, the Tiger seats four, has a 180-hp engine, and burns 10 gph. The hull is insured at $65,000 with $1 million liability. Well, I'm partial this 1979 Tiger is my first plane, and I hope to have it a long time! Some smaller pilots struggle to fly the Cessna 172, while some large people find they have problems in the Cessna 150, The Cessna 172 is more expensive to buy, and also to hire, than the Cessna 150, Although both types are very safe, the Cessna 172 is said to be significantly safer. Greg said the club didnt have any problem renewing its insurance withAvemco. Please contact the friendly folks at the Pilots Place for Grumman-American, on the other hand, never certified the AA-5x for 160 hp. Among the most valuable resources available to Grumman owners are the bustling owners groups. Visibility is amazing. . Very rugged, durable and dependable. That was its strong suit.. 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