"interactionType": "https://schema.org/CommentAction", The NAA piston and seal will cost more to replace than just buying new cast iron rings. Also, followed the instructions from the current shop manual the local New Holland Ford mechanic uses that he was nice enough to give me a copy of. plow should lift at the top of the quad in draft contorl.. if it won't.. it needs adjustment. . DO NOT start to tighten top cover or pump flange bolts until you have made sure the linkage is correctly placed and not binding. Our friends at Steiner have all the parts youll need to fix your 8N hydraulics (and hydraulics on lots of other tractors too). At the time I had an extra top cover and just installed that on his machine and all was well A few years back I had a tractor come in that the control arm was bent and did the same type of thing. I'll send an e-mail to your site. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. I'm new to this forum stuff. Officers and Directors May be where I end up depending on what Zane says. Small leaks tend to get bigger, but you should be able to judge if your leaks are bad enough to have to remove the top cover and fix them. A short tutorial of hydraulic repair on a Ford 8N is available here. Thanks to John Smith of Old Ford Tractor for allowing us to use this information. "author": { ", When it breaks free and starts working again, CHANGE THE OIL. I can remove the cover and post a pic if it will help. Loosen the 4 bolts holding the quadrant control lever bracket to the top cover. I'm a little confused on the weld issue. I previously posted a pic of the crack. If its really stuck tight, youll have to pull the pump and rebuild it. I don't have a welder. The valve should be completely open when the hydraulic touch control lever is at the top of the quadrant. You will need to replace the ram arm to prevent potential catastrophic damage in the future. Other than that I just dress the gravel drive a few times. Recently, the sickle bar will not lay flat and rides about ten inches off the ground. 2 - Did it freeze last night? Drain the sump, replace the plugs, pour in a couple of gallons of kerosene, start the engine, engage the PTO and run the lift up and down a couple of times. You've done it, I haven't. Remove those and the shaft pulls straight out the back. A short tutorial of hydraulic repair on a Ford 8N is available here. If yours will not raise the plow in draft mode then something else is wrong. My brother-in-law, who is a boat mechanic, is coming by tomorrow. Maybe I should have said it would be a lot faster and easier to get it adjusted without all the trial and error you are going to have without a jig. Refer to section below regarding linkage. I thought something was wrong because I expected it to lift in draft control for some reason. The crack has nothing to do with the lift performance at this time. Just give them a ring to get started. Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Thanks for the note that the washer can overdue it, that's what I was wanting to know. It appears you have just learned this to be true! What do you think? { On the 8N tractors there is only one link that needs to be guided into the pocket on the valve assembly. Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see I was wondering if someone had bent it intentionally as a fix . Time for a pump rebuild. Really not sure what is the best way to go on that. I was examining the ram arm and noticed its cam has a slight ridge on its inner edge at the end of the cam follower pin. Contact Us While the 8N piston originally came with steel rings, many have been upgraded with a Jubilee style o-ring. It is bent to the front which I would think would help me. When I was plowing in the spring, when the arms were actually as low as it would go and the tractor would start to loose traction, a slight lift of the position lever would bring the plow up, but then I would have to push down on the draft control lever to get the plow to go higher. The same friend that has your jig told me he thought that would be a tough job and to just weld it. 1 - Has it rained or been humid recently? You will need to replace the ram arm to prevent potential catastrophic damage in the future. Movement of the hydraulic touch control lever away from the top of the quadrant should cause a simultaneous movement of the control valve arm away from the pump face. $32.95 . Wrong? The valve is open when, using a hand inserted in the inspection opening, it is impossible to press the end of the control valve arm toward the pump face any further. Maybe not true. Change it. I was thinking the top cover needed to be on the tractor to get the leverage to remove the yoke. Straightening and repairing the lift arms and other hardware is mostly just time and energy. Get the adjusting jig from Zane. BTW, did you see my bent control arm pic? Any comments would be welcome. Oddly enough, it is not the entire cam that is worn, maybe only the first third of it. Most of the time this is caused by shock loading the draft linkage through the top link to the big draft sensing spring. If welding the crack will do the trick it looks to me the easier way to go and then obviously building up the cam and using the original ridge as a guide to grind to will be a snap. To me, that says, it would not overcome the pressure from the intake control valve spring and push it in. Plate was about 1/32 concave on one edge. See the next question. "userInteractionCount": 34 (6) Install the hydraulic unit on the tractor, making sure that the end of the control arm enters the opening in the valve control lever and that the control arm is not bent or damaged in any way during this operation. http://www.bramblett.com/zane/ ZANE Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Zane, Thanks for the info. If after installed I need further adjustment I'll use the split washer trick. Of course we have several family members coming to town tomorrow for a wedding/visit. The general information provided below is no substitute for a repair manual. Dean Is the control arm straight? I.E., I can grab it and move it freely front to back. I replaced the position control pin, and straightened the control arm. In any case, dont forget about fresh oil! "width": 200, (7) Place the position control lever in the forward position. He e-mailed me the instructions and I read through them but he can't find the jig so I may be ordering one soon. I have a friend that has your jig (or, I should say purchased one). "@type":"DiscussionForumPosting", Pivot pins was mentioned. Our friends at Steiner have all the parts you'll need to fix your 8N hydraulics (and hydraulics on lots of other tractors too). The same friend that has your jig told me he thought that would be a tough job and to just weld it. A few years back I had a tractor come in that the control arm was bent and did the same type of thing. My lift only comes up half way then stops.. Draining water as it collects in the sumps can help to extend the fluid change interval, but fluid does not last forever. "@type":"DiscussionForumPosting", I just replied to another response to my post, with a pic and a question. And the control rod must be perfectly straight. Get the adjusting jig from Zane. Should the cam be smooth across its width? That is not true for any of the ford tractors I have. "image": { I have my lift cover supported by two saw horses with the control lever hanging down and while it does move forward and backward as I move the touch control lever it is never held rigidly in any position. Not sure if you saw the pic of the crack in my lift arm ram. If the cam follower pin is worn replace it. Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Right. Finally, I think I'll just get one of your jigs. Such folks bend it with a length of pipe in the inspection port(s). " "@type": "Person", The fluid currently recommended for all "N" series tractors is a combined hydraulic/transmission "Multi-G 134" fluid (NH-410B). The two-sided linkage on the 9N/2N is a much bigger pain in the rump to get hooked up than the single-ended linkage for the 8N. If those didn't do the trick I would then go back to removing the yoke, etc. Epoxy? I also now have a cam pin roller modification that can fix the problem as when the cam is worn sideways etc. Weigh those facts, and it probably works out that even a lightly-used tractor should have the fluid changed at least once a year. With the early linkage you grab both pieces and stretch them into place. To check these, leave the side cover off and start the tractor. Other possibilities are a defective relief valve or a ruptured oil tube that goes from the pump base to the top cover. Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Just beat it flat that's all you need to do Do you have the lift cover off if so wait for the jig you may not need the washer trickBut if you do you may have to get different thickness washers I have found you can move the draft plunger in to far by using a washer that's to thick All in said and done preform the first step adjust the draft control as Zane instructed the rest will fall into place Life will be good welding is your call welding is your call Welding is my call? Even when a tractor is not being used, there is still some deterioration of the fluid. Its generally not an immediate pressing problem. This post was edited by jasmith503 at 16:47:01 06/09/15. Pic attached. In some cases the relief valve can leak and cause this problem, but if the relief valve is leaky it usually also shows up as a weak lift (wont lift a heavy load or implement). Again, thank you for the help. This is accomplished by tightening or loosening the nut on the end of the hydraulic touch control lever shaft (fig. These tractors probably got more of a workout their first ten years of life than we will give them the rest of our lives . If you have deep scratches and do not want to spend the money to replace the entire cylinder assembly you should use the cast iron rings and live with the small leakage. HYDRAULIC TOUCH CONTROL LEVER. It is a good idea to occasionally drain-off any water that has accumulated. 8n position control adjustment discussion in the Ford 9N.draft links changes the deflection of the load control shaft PGJ Installation and Adjustment of Arch, Radius, Precipitation Rate and Nozzle with Video Some of the most frequently asked ones are listed at the bottom of this page An estimator to track the states of the UAV using the images. "@type": "Organization", Since I already have the cover off I was thinking l might skip removing the yoke from the draft sensing spring and jump to using the jig (once I get it) for the draft and position control adjustments. If that link is bent, it needs to be straightened in a vise or press. John It must be straight. The 8N hydraulic system is simple yet elegant and works great when properly adjusted and maintained. I.E., I can grab it and move it freely front to back. "url": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/graphics/smllogo.png", I had a similar, though much less serious, crack in the ram arm on my 55 860. }, Thanks for you help!! }. BTW, did you see my bent control arm pic? }, Check the bearing. Then, if you have a jig, adjust the linkage to specs. It may not display this or other websites correctly. A really hard freeze could actually crack something. Check the pump pressure as outlined in the I&T FO-4 manual. { (Long)", Guess I can lay awake for a couple of weeks thinking about it until I can get back to it. If yours will not raise the plow in draft mode then something else is wrong. "logo": { A rebuild is probably in order. No leaks, and no indication of suction, could be stuck valves or something major broken in the pump. The worst spot for that is the drain plug where the pump is. Not like position control mode where partial movement of the touch control partially raises the arms. Measuring parts just won't cut it when all the parts are not still the same shape and measurement that they were when new about 50 years ago. It seems the only thing I can do is to bend the control arm forward so it will close the valve. Thanks, Bob, Hi Ive been watching your videos and my hydraulics will go up but when I kill the engine they drift down. Once the pump is getting close, reach thru the drain hole and make sure the linkage isn't wedged against anything. After yesterday I don't have a clue how I could get the ram arm out. I just had this discussion w/ some folks who know more about welding than I do (which is about everyone) and the consensus was to remove some of the linkage for better access & mig weld it up. "@id": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/" A weak lift may not work at all with synthetic fluid. We keep the brush down in the woods. It's like a 10-30 multigrade motor oil thickness. Measure 1.7 - 1.75 inches forward from the front edge of this bolt hole. We had one in the shop but I didn't have a clue what it was for until I attended the training session on the lift. It is impossible to adjust the 8N lift with the instructions in most manuals. I also removed the lift cover and checked and adjusted the constant draft and position cont Welcome! Should the cam be smooth across its width? Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for HYDRAULIC TRANSPORT VALVE LOCK FIT FOR MASSEY TAFE ALL MODEL TRACTORS at the best online prices at eBay! Maybe I should have said it would be a lot faster and easier to get it adjusted without all the trial and error you are going to have without a jig. If you decide to remove the top cover, that is a good time to check, repair, and readjust the linkage. ", If a leak gets worse than a few drips, fix it. Come to think of it that might have been a little too profound a remark! The most common complaints are addressed below. How's this procedure Zane? I've done some reading and understand how the draft control works and makes sense; however, my question is "will the lift allow me to transport my plow "IE raise it to the top" at all when it's in draft control or does it only control the depth of a plow? and if it looks like the pic, it will need to be repaired. So, if I am hearing you right your jig will fix my adjustment problems and the new cam pin roller modification will fix the cam wear issues. Bending the control arm is a lazy man's "fix" for a worn cam follower pin. Do you see that as well or just my original post and your responses? As for the adjustment, I followed the instructions in the very old version of the I&T Shop manual I have. }, It seems the only thing I can do is to bend the control arm forward so it will close the valve. Wear them enough and you forget you have them on. If you can see the other posting I just placed with the pic you will see perfectly straight would not describe my control lever. It goes in the lower front pivot bolster and looks like this. } My pic is attached. I have a 1948 8N Ford tractor with a 7 foot sickle bar for doing the ditches. Figured that out after I sent the last message. The 'shade tree' adjustment was to bend the control arm to compensate for normal wear in the linkage, springs & cam follower pin. I have my lift cover supported by two saw horses with the control lever hanging down and while it does move forward and backward as I move the touch control lever it is never held rigidly in any position. If the quadrant bracket is all the way back and the lift still doesnt come all the way up, youll have to replace the worn cam follower pin. I just replied to another response to my post, with a pic and a question. Arms will not go down. I've seen a 1200-pound round bale on a 3-point bale spike on the back of an 8N, but he also had a loader bucket on the front to help balance the weight. This is usually a sign of a defective or sticking valve in the pump. Zane Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Thanks. When the air cools moisture condenses on all those cool metal surfaces inside the sump. The 3-point lift will pick up a lot more weight close to the tractor, than it will out on the end of a boom pole. If the control rod is bent, remove it & straighten it. How did you adjust the draft and position control mechanism? However my problem on my 51 8n is the lift arms go all the way up and wont go down unless I let it set for several days. Free shipping for many products! If its knocking loudly you should buy a pump repair kit and do a rebuild before it quits all together. Always consult equipment operator's manual and follow safety instructions before operating or servicing any tractor or equipment, or attempting any task. "interactionStatistic": { Thats normal in all of them because the pump closes off the inlet port when it stops and the pump cavitates as it starves for oil. It is critical. Almost like the pin wore down the cam rather than the pin being worn. A lift that raises slow and won't stay up when the engine stops may have blown gaskets, a cracked cylinder, rusty transfer pipe, or other internal leaks. If my brother-in-law has any luck with that I'll use your suggestion on cutting the arm ram off. In this case the NAA seal will work better, but only for a short time. Free shipping . Water in the hydraulic fluid is very bad. The crack has nothing to do with the lift performance at this time. All you need is a wing-nut, a 3/4-inch nylon bushing, and a screw. I'm a little confused on the weld issue. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Now it is only used about 10 Hours a year. TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. (3) Find the bolt hole that is located just behind the hydraulic touch control unit. I couldn't even get the lift arm off of the end of the splined shaft. Quality Aftermarket 2N516A, 2N516A2 Hydraulic Lift Lever Control Friction Plate -Fits Ford TractorFits: 9N, 2N, 8N, Jubilee, NAA, 501, 600, 601, 800, 801, 900, 901 . There are four bolts around the PTO bearing flange. Our property is covered with Douglas Firs. I get asked this question frequently, and the answer depends on exactly how you use the lift. Thanks guys - this is exactly how it works. Do not unscrew the plugs to try and get water to flow faster. The rest of that space is air and metal. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. 3 - Is it below freezing now? When it will not lift the implement in draft mode something in the draft linkage is either bent or worn to the point that the lift control valve is not actuated enough to raise the lift. When it stops, tighten the plug. If the cylinder bore is in good shape or has only very faint scratches or grooves use the NAA piston and seal. "@id":"https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=nboard&th=958809", It just ain't possible to adjust the lift linkage on the 8N Ford unless you have a jig to use so that the end of the control rod ends up in the right position. So, how's the weather? Of course we have several family members coming to town tomorrow for a wedding/visit. Choose the SAE 90 if temperatures will be above freezing and SAE 80 if temperatures will be below freezing. Of course we would recommend welding / brazing it or taking some where while it is apart . Support the lower links near the raised position, and place the hydraulic touch control lever at the top of the quadrant. Water will drain past the threads of the drain plugs, oil will not. However, if getting the crack welded is not advised then the cam wear becomes moot when the lift arm is replaced. I have pulled the pump and cleaned the pump cavity. It will only raise the plow with touch all the way up. 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